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I think it is difficult not to form alliances in any mass form of interaction we have with other people. This can be a good thing if we are looking for emotional/spiritual/personal support.

I can see that as far as a world view is concerned it can be a bad thing if we just associate with people with the same view point.

There are times when arguing with some one with strong political view points ends up becoming virtually a waste of time and energy as it becomes very obvious that those people really are not interested in a different viewpoint and have got no intention of even considering it. It is during these exchanges that I find some people then reverting to personal attacks rather than the initial issue. The other thing though about arguing with another who will not listen, is that hopefully some one just reading the arguments as an observer may be influenced by the arguments of the people actually engaged in the argument and may learn something positive from the exchange. That has always been my hope when arguing with some one who will not even listen.

At the moment I am conserving energy and prefer to argue with people who at least may consider a different view point i.e. their mind is open, just as my mind is open to their viewpoint. I also try not to get into arguments on subjects that I know nothing about.


I have to admit though whenever I have been totally howled down by opponents in “their” arena it is nice to fall back and communicate with people of similar minds just to recharge the batteries to an extent. When I say similar minds, I don’t mean that we agree on every issue, but we are willing to have an open mind and we are able to help each other keep, “fighting the good fight.” I would put you in that category if that is okay. As you know we do not agree on every issue, but we do at least respect each other enough to allow that disagreement. I hope I am accurate in this respect.


But I think it is part of human nature that we all like to occasionally be told, "You did a good job or I agree with you." Most of us need some form of reassurance or positive acknowledgement from time to time.

Of course you are correct, ChezzaG. Except i would venture to add, that because others may come upon the dialogue, then whether one's comment is an educated fact, or merely an uneducated opinion, one is duty-bound to enter it into the dialogue. For how else can a truthful conclusion be found? Also, merely because it's on a blog that I manage, shouldn't imply it's my arena. Perhaps the African view of community is much the same as my view here. Community belongs to all who inhabit it. We all carry a responsibility and hence there is no yours and mine. If one guest fails to show adequate ubuntu, it is for another guest to pick up on that if it is at all necessary. The host herself may never even comment on it. We seldom use bouncers in African traditional situations. Those who are uncultured, stick out like sore thumbs and they need no help after a while. They eventually learn to behave b y observation and imitation, or they show themselves out the door.

The nice thing about Vox is the levels one can choose to publish any item at. If an item is meant only for allies, one can publish for family. With the anyone publication, it's really anyone's arena.
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"The debate has somehow taken a turn since the mention of "criminal immigration" and my response thereto."

I thought it was quite 'criminal' the way the ancestors of the 'white' americans slaughtered and relocated the aboriginals of the state now known as the 'us of a' as part of their immigration process.

Thus, any efforts to criminalise immigration is little more than an attempt to pull up the ladder after one has ascended it.

As for 'blogging' being 'wanking in front of an audience', the person who came up with it is an obvious idiot. There are different types of blogs just as there are different types of books, newspaper articles, films, documentaries, etc. I never heard expression via these mediums being called as such. It is simply a case of not being able to see the trees for the forest. One wonders how such inane views get published in sites such as the one you provided the link for - which i liken to 'wanking with a limp d*ck in front of an audience'. It is not the medium of communication that ought to define one, but the quality or type of content.
Just a suggestion Frank,

Could you please supply the direct link to the article in focus? Thanks mate...and keep up the good work.
I have searched all over, and it seems the person who made the wanking reference, commented on a post i have since deleted. perhaps i thought i was too harsh in my critique of the thought leader project (a side project of the Mail & Guardian). you can give the leaders a look over and see for yourself. It is actually an interesting forum initiative, though some of the column writers provide a repetitive and uniform commentary. Theoretically, it should be a good way to get bloggers writing about topical issues, or to respond to news items and then get others to know their take on things, before actually reading a blog.

Zukile Majova gives a breakdown of the issue with Zimbabwe at the moment. Majova is ANC/SA government leaning. The dialogue one can see there is confusing to the outsider, yet hopefully one can put some alternative information into the grist and eventually thrash out some of the wankers from the bloggers who seriously want to get moving beyond the virtual stage. M&G has a good system, if the articles is cited on a blog, the M&G page will direct any interested reader to blogs that comment on the article. M&G covers many global issues as well as African issues.
I like your point Frank about the blog being open to all, to share their views, without necessarily having the host's input. It has quite often happened on my blog where a number of parties can have an on going discussion and I have long since left the building as I felt I no longer had an interest in the tangent that the discussion had taken.

Sometimes I also don't state my actual opinion until well into the discuss just so that the discussion doesn't have "too much" of my own bias placed on the entry at the start. By staying out of the discussion in the early stages it also gives me a chance to actually learn something from the participants and I think it also makes people feel free to express their opinions as they do not have the feeling that they are up against a friend or foe so to speak.

That is an interesting point about the lack of need for bouncers in African Traditional settings.
Scio is a catholic voxer of some note
That was nice of you...
a lot of other potentially significant things
This could be interpreted in a few ways.

Nice post.
Here's one South African view about community blogging with some good advice too. Just thought I'd throw it in here. Thanks Scio.
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In this respect, i somehow see the logic of Aput's blog mentality of "sitting on the fence".

Aww.. I get a mention...

Sorry I was so late to read this. One of the reasons I'm a good fence sitter is probably due to the fact that I'm a Libra.

I think when I mention sitting on the fence, I mean that there are things that I agree with the conservatives, especially on crime prevention and capital punishment, but at the same time, I have a lot that I think liberally about, mostly about social issues and national policies.

And then there's the whole "protect my religion from being grievously misunderstood due to idiots" mode that I have to cultivate to explain the actions certain members of my religion who go around chopping off heads and all that kinda thing.

Thank God Scio didn't bring up the Korean refugees in Afghanistan.
Well, we in Azania had our own point at which people were "chopping off heads" so i can understand how it gets difficult defending a position in situations of conflict. The Amy Biehl killing in Cape Town hit very close to home for us, as Amy was a scholar at my almar mater when she was brutally killed.

The thing is, one should defend the position properly. Conflict situations have causes, and any examination of issues by Scio tends to be very narrow, and would probably have ignored the fact that the USA actually funded those hoodlums running around today in Afghanistan. Also, had Scio posted anything, he would have ignored the fact that those poor Koreans went in under the premise that teh war is over (a fairy tale being put out by the Americans).

One should never water down one's religion in order to fit in with the dominant crowd. Doing this, puts one in danger of spreading untruths. In Azania, we are seeing the fruits of changing our ideology just in order to get a seat at the table. We have played into the hands of the criminals. And so, i have a deep scorn for this kind of fence sitting.
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Thank you for the effort to seek out the link Frank. It's too bad you couldn't locate it. I was looking forward to giving this person a dressing down at my site. Never mind, you point against it has been succinctly made.

Keep up the good work mate.

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